I need help with intercompany payments

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Can someone please help. I do the books for a small corporation but I am not a real experienced.  The owner has started another small reno business which will be operating under the same Business Number as an "umbrella company". On one of the reno jobs, the owner paid for material for the job with a Visa Card that is owned by the Corporation.  Under the Corporation, I have the Visa Card set up as a vendor, and when the monthly statement comes in, I go through all the receipts and post them to the correct account numbers, then I post it as a Pay later bill. The reason I have it set up as a Vendor, is because I make payments and don't pay the whole amount at once. In order to post the purchases made with the Visa for the reno business, I set up it up this way. 

Under the Corporations set of books: I set up an “other asset account” and called it “Loan due to/from the reno co" so that this is an asset of the Corporation.  I then posted the purchases paid for the materials with the Visa to this account when I entered the receipts from the Visa Statement. 

Then, under the Reno co. set of books: I set up an “other current liability” account and called it “Loan due to/from the corporation" so that this will be a liability owing to the corporation. I then posted the purchases like this: 

                                DR the "costs of goods sold" account for the purchases 

                                DR the "HST paid on the purchases" account 

                                CR the "loan due/to the corporation"  

When I billed out the client, I set out the details of the purchases and entered the amounts on the invoice the same way as I would enter any other service and posted it to the revenue account.  

I am not sure if this this the correct way of doing this.  To me, it seems very time consuming and convaluted but I don't know another way of doing this.  I am also wondering, if the loan should be paid back to the Corporation for the material purchases once the customer pays the invoice and how I would do that.

My guess is that I should set up the corporation as a vendor in the Reno co. books, create a bill for the amount of the expense and enter under the description something like, “repayment to corporation for payment of materials”, post it to the “Loan due/to the corporation", then issue a cheque and deposit it into the Corporations bank account. This way, the HST will be recorded as HST paid on the item so it can be included in the HST report. Then under the Corporations set of books, post it as:  

                               DR the Bank Account

                               CR the Asset Account 

Does this make sense or am I overthinking this way too much.

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    Speaking as an accountant, I'd suggest talking it over with both your boss, and whatever accountant prepares the yearend statements / tax returns for the corporation.

    The first thing to determine is whether you are dealing with one legal entity or two legal entities.  If you're dealing with only one legal entity (you might be, as you mention using the same business number for both), then it might be better to keep all of the records in one Sage data set, as everything will need to be combined together for yearend and tax purposes.  This depends quite a lot on what the accountant says about how easy it is for him or her to combine Sage data sets for the yearend.  If you are dealing with two different legal entities, or maybe even three (umbrella corp, operating company for the existing operations, operating company for the renos), then you should definitely have 3 different Sage data sets, one for each company.

    If you are actually dealing with 2 or distinct operations within one legal corporation, then you need to determine how much detail your boss wants available in Sage.  If he just wants to be able to split the income statement up between renos/not renos, then you might not need departments at all... you might be able to set aside a range of accounts in revenue, and a range of accounts in expenses, for reno-related stuff.  If you're just splitting up the income statement, then you don't need to deal with any tedious due to/from accounts, or when to repay loans between the divisions.  If, on the other hand, your boss wants to be able to split both the income statement and the balance sheet, it gets much more complicated.  For starters, you need a version of Sage that can handle departments.  Then, you need to understand how to keep everything balance between departments, which can get interesting... for example, every accounts receivable customer and accounts payable vendor has to be assigned to a department, and things get messy if you accidentally pay a 'reno' bill using the 'non-reno' bank account, etc.

    If you are dealing with multiple legal entities, then your approach above is basically right.  Don't worry about when the due to/from account 'should be' paid back.  There are no accounting rules requiring the due to/from account to be repaid at any particular time.  Just make sure that the 'due to' account in one Sage data set matches the 'due from' account in the other Sage data set at all times.  Your boss can decide if and when to move money back and forth.  

    You are right to be paying extra attention to the HST.  Remember that HST input tax credits CAN ONLY BE CLAIMED BY THE COMPANY THAT THE INVOICE WAS ADDRESSED TO.  It doesn't matter who paid the invoice.... if the invoice is from Supplier to Reno Co, then Current Co can't claim the input tax credits.  If Reno Co is a separate company from the current co, there is nothing you can do as a bookkeeper to fix the problem.  Again, this is something to talk to your accountant about and be really sure you're doing it right.

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    Thank you for the information.  We are dealing with one legal entity and have registered the reno business name under that entity. I think your advice to keep all of the records in one Sage data set is a much better solution in this case, than having a 2nd set of books which seems very time consuming and yes, everything will need to be combined together for yearend and tax purposes anyways. The accountant had suggested opening a 2nd set of books but the reno business will probably not generate a lot of income, at least not at the beginning so it doesn't make a lot of sense to do that. In reality, everything including payroll is recorded in the corporations set of books.  The only reason for a 2nd set of books is for invoicing, recording the expenses and collection of the payments. The accountant also suggested setting up a 2nd HST program number for Revenue Canada and calling it RT0002. To me, this seems unnecessary as well, and would probably not be required if everything is just recorded under the existing corporations set of books. In this case, if I do just record everything under one book set, do you have any advice eg. should I add a 2nd revenue account to keep the revenue from the corporation and the revenue from the renos separate, or would that matter.   

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    Thank you for the information.  We are dealing with one legal entity and have registered the reno business name under that entity. I think your advice to keep all of the records in one Sage data set is a much better solution in this case, than having a 2nd set of books which seems very time consuming and yes, everything will need to be combined together for yearend and tax purposes anyways. The accountant had suggested opening a 2nd set of books but the reno business will probably not generate a lot of income, at least not at the beginning so it doesn't make a lot of sense to do that. In reality, everything including payroll is recorded in the corporations set of books.  The only reason for a 2nd set of books is for invoicing, recording the expenses and collection of the payments. The accountant also suggested setting up a 2nd HST program number for Revenue Canada and calling it RT0002. To me, this seems unnecessary as well, and would probably not be required if everything is just recorded under the existing corporations set of books. In this case, if I do just record everything under one book set, do you have any advice eg. should I add a 2nd revenue account to keep the revenue from the corporation and the revenue from the renos separate, or would that matter.   

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